The creative process is a long odyssey that takes different directions and is not always smooth and outlined. Sometimes you just need to dare and not overthink in order to let things happen naturally, but yet stay focused and involved to let things happen at all.
Travelling and tripping around the continents and genres, Red Axes keep falling in love with what they do and take the chances that come their way. We talk to the Israeli producers about finding easiness, removing boundaries, and exploring in-betweens.
Mariana: In the conversation we had some months ago during Amsterdam Dance Event you mentioned that everything was more psychedelic when we were kids.
Dori: It is true because as we grow up it becomes more difficult to be surprised and excited about the world. We get used to the what seemed unusual when we were kids. Also since the Internet became so accessible, we are exposed to crazy things every second and we are already used to this: you open Facebook, you see a crazy video. Probably the only thing that can get us thrilled now is aliens.
Niv: I also think that when we grow up we understand that people are shit. We enjoy less.
Do you often see that people are shit?
Dori: Not at all, I don't see it anymore.
So you are not a grown-up. Or maybe you are an over-grown-up.
Niv: I think when you are involved with music it is important to make every experience fresh, and try to get excited and fall in love with stuff that you do.
Listening to your stories and looking at your approach towards work one can tell that you do things with ease and no strain.
Niv: We try to do it like this because if you take everything too seriously, it can become too tense.
And do things get messed up when the easiness is gone?
Dori: Sometimes you get tired, sometimes you travel a lot, sometimes you have not the best day. So you can definitely catch us in a more serious mood.
Niv: We are very serious about what we do: the music and the dj sets. We take it seriously, we try to do our best. It's not like 'Oh it's easy, I'm gonna play at Panorama tonight'.
Maybe Dori can tell you about how he was in much more stressful situations in his life when he played tennis competitions. We learn to take it easy.
So the tip would be: start with the tennis competitions when things get too serious.
By saying that you do things with ease I don't mean that you are careless. I mean the stories about how you connected with people who influenced you, got involved with them and became friends. Like Jennifer Cardini and Cosmo Vitelli. It sounds like these connections emerged without any pressure, and this is fascinating.
Dori: True. It's kind of amazing to work with people who were our influence and inspiration in the past. In case of Cosmo and Jennifer, we already knew and felt that we shared the same kind of ideas. And it came out really naturally to work with both of them.
At the beginning it was really exciting because we knew them musically and they didn't know us. But after a really short time we became friends and they supported us a lot.
Niv: We feel really comfortable working with them. Maybe first and second times when you work with someone who you admire, you are really nervous. But as you get used to the fact that it is actually happening, you find it easy, not stressful, and natural.
Recently Dark Entries Records released four of your remixes of Lena Platonos' songs from the 80ies. One of the tracks was already used as the soundtrack during the Dior Haute Couture SS 2016 show. What is this connection that brought your music even to the world of fashion?
Niv: The track Witches was selected for the Dior runway by someone who was preparing the show. We were also surprised and excited.
It was really exciting for us when Josh Cheon who runs Dark Enteries suggested we do a few remixes of our favorites tracks from Lena Platonos' album Gallop, because of course we are big fans of both Lena Platonos and Dark Entries. Josh is a huge digger and the area of new wave and psychedelic are among his focuses. He unearthed this project from the 80s by the Greek electronic music pioneer and now is about to release the reissue of her second solo album Gallop. And I think more artists are going to make remixes for this album because it is surely nice to take something old and great and give it a futuristic edge.
Coming from the rock and punk background, you are now strongly connected to the clubbing culture. The party vibe is very different. Is it easy for you to switch from one environment to the other ?
Niv: For sure there is a big difference between rock fans and club audience. People who go to concerts and look for new rock bands don't go out to dance like ravers who may party every weekend. But there is a lot in between those two radical points.
Today a lot of rave kids like to go to gigs, as well as clubbers find out that Red Axes play guitar. People get familiar with new stuff because everything has become more open. I feel more connected to the rock side in my personal life. But it does not matter.
Dori: The rock events finish quite early. A party can go on for 8 hours. It is just different, a different state of mind and different point of going out. Another thing is that a party can be much more rock-n-roll than a show.
How do people from the opposite sides see your involvement with both directions? Is anyone from the rock scene, for example, telling you that partying is superficial?
Dori: No, it's the opposite. People start to understand more and more that clubs and dj sets can be very rock-n-roll. The difference is getting smaller and smaller. From what we see, rock-n-roll bands' singers that don't know clubs are starting to get more involved in everything, because they feel that the vibe of a party can be very similar to a concert.
Nil: But you also have to understand that we, Red Axes, are not the same person. For Dori it feels good and natural when he stays in a club. For me it is not like this all the time, to be honest. I don't always feel like this is my place. Not all the time I feel like staying until late and going to an after-party. But it is a matter of personality and it's very important not to be judging. The most amazing people that I met were sometimes at the point when they felt like 'it's not me over there'.
For us it was easy because we came from rock-n-roll and we felt a rock-n-roll vibe in the club. It felt natural, we felt connected to this: the loudness, the freedom. There are many examples, it depends on how one looks at this.
I don't feel like if I come from rock-n-roll and punk environment people are judging me for playing house music. It is the opposite. I feel like they want to know how it feels to be playing in a big room where people are dancing for so many hours. Most of the feedbacks from our friends, who are not familiar with the clubbing, are really nice.
It is important to be open and to know that there are differences, and of course that the mainstream of every genre is different than the other. It is not nice to put labels like 'superficial' or 'hedonistic'. It's alright to feel a part of something even if it's not you all the time, and to do what is good for you at this very moment.